Science Fiction Pornography

Jan 12, 07:43 by Bluejack
In all my walks of life, I must say I have encountered very little science fiction pornography, but apparently it's out there, as evidenced by these Daleks.

Is anyone familiar with this form? Are there classics of sf porn?

And, for the record, I agree completely with the fan quoted in the article. Real Daleks would never be part of this smut.
Jan 12, 07:53 by Lois Tilton
Are there classics of sf porn?

Roger Fnord
Jan 12, 09:23 by travitt hamilton
Philip Hose Farmer was often accused of skirting the edges of propriety, especially in his earlier, pulpier work: A Feast Unknown, The Lovers, Strange Relations.
Sep 17, 10:27 by Laning Polatty
Interesting inquiry. Does anyone want to prepare a panel for a convention on this? Who were the pioneers? What are the landmark works? What made them both "pornographic" and what made them "classics"? What requirements should current SF satisfy to be both "pornographic" and "classic"? Or has it already been done to death? It took decades before I attended my first con.

Permit me to suggest a few authors, although I am very poor at recalling specific titles.

Possibly Samuel R. ("Chip") Delaney holds the title for publishing the first SF novel that is erotic in tone from start to finish. It is also considered considerably better than mere pornography. I am told. I haven't read it myself, since homosexuality, B&D, and S&M don't do anything for me. But everything else Delaney has published is at least very good and often mind-blowingly good, so there's no reason to doubt the quality of his outright pornographic work. Oh yes, I did read his brilliant [B}Tales of Neveryon]/B] which got a bit pornographic in places, mostly leaning towards the aforementioned B&D, etc. Brilliant stuff. It's been too many years. Didn't Dahlgren contain some overtly sexual passages?

Thomas M. Disch has also published novels that included explicit/erotic passages, and I believe were pioneering.

Robert Silverberg was also somewhat pioneering in this area.

My memory is too hazy on Ted Sturgeon's work, but I think a couple of his novels may qualify. Even if not, I believe he did a lot to make it possible for later authors to attempt to write quality SF that included sexual subject matter, because he did so much to pioneer SF written by adults for adults in general.

We shouldn't neglect Heinlein. Almost everything he wrote from the mid-'60s on included people having sex in various numbers and permutations. Of course, readers divide rather sharply on whether his work from this period is junk or classic. The divide is so sharp, and opinions are often so hotly contended that I hesitate to even mention it in any message board.

I'm tempted to reexamine some of Edgar Rice Burroughs' stuff to see just how steamy it got. Many would argue that the quality of his writing was too low for any of his works to be called classic. Some (Lupoff) have argued that most of what he wrote wasn't even science fiction, per se, however beloved it may be. I disagree on both counts. If I'm right, then ERB probably has a very small claim in this area.

The early pulp stories could keep battalions of Freudian analysts busy for decades. The sword & sorcery stuff -- whose history is intertwined so much with SF that for some purposes it is a subgenre of SF -- seemingly was allowed to be racier than the straightforward SF.

James Branch Cabell (shall we consider him SF? I do) was banned in Boston.

So it seems the tropes were widespread even in the pre-Gernsback days. Pioneering was being done and precedents were being set. By the standards of some of their contemporaries, there was out-and-out porn being published back then.

Not by Verne or Wells, though, and they are the most remembered today. I don't doubt Mark Twain would have written a thing or two of this sort if he had thought there was a real chance of getting published. What about Mary Shelley, the godmother of SF?

Sep 7, 14:33 by Janine Stinson
I don't know if the intent was pornographic (I'm guessing it wasn't), but I think Paul Di Filippo's A Mouthful of Tongues certainly could be called SF erotica. I wouldn't call it porn by definition, as porn is defined by the Random House Webster's as material intended to cause sexual arousal, generally without literary merit. Tongues has an actual story line, quite entertaining in itself. But it is also, ahem, very graphic (not sure what other word to use). I liked it. :)

Oct 16, 23:20 by
Great to know that, thanks

honestly discussed

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